Wii dragging video games down?

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ArgoXavier

11th Brigade = Death
I'm new here and i don't wanna start any fights or anything, but i feel that the Wii is bad for the overall gaming industry, By leaning in a direction towards making games appeal to the younger (ages 3-13) and older (ages 35+) gamer. I feel this will eventually lead to the overall target of those types of audiences, thus taking away from the hardcore game like myself. Im really tired so i wont get in any further, i just wondered what everyone else thought...The Wii is fun, ive played it, but i think its overall effect on the industry is negative, again i don't want to start any arguments, if a topic like this isn't allowed close it and i apologize.
 
I don't think they're dragging gaming down. They are just targeting different markets, but, rest assured, it appears that Microsoft and Sony are still focusing very much on the hardcore gamer.

Honestly, I only see the Wii as a good thing. It introduces people to simple, fun video games, and could possibly turn them into lifelong gamers that play many of the "hardcore" games you and I do.
 
no man, dont be afraid to voice your opinion hear, we love to hear it

i dont think the wii is bad for the industry, per se, its just not good for it. but the 360 and ps3 more than make up for it in hardcore game quality
 
Yes thats true for the younger gamers, but if they target audiences that old and young, how long before the majority of game releases are of a lesser rating, then you got games that are not challenging enough for the hardcore gamer, or what if the ban M rated games like they did AO game, i don't mean to stereotype, put older and younger gamers tend to stay with easier, less mature games...

Games are already getting to be way easier then they used to be on all systems, even great game like Bioshock are way to easy...Assassins Creed doesn't even have a hard mode...i don't wanna see the hardcore gaming audience vanish...

(and thank you Hinesmdc)
 
no problem dude

now, i definitly know what you mean about the difficulty thing. back in the genesis days, i would sit there for hours, just trying to beat the same level in some long gone game. these days, i pop a game in, and fly through it with usually no trouble. i dont know if its just because im older and more experienced, or games are just simply becoming to easy.
 
ArgoXavier said:
Yes thats true for the younger gamers, but if they target audiences that old and young, how long before the majority of game releases are of a lesser rating, then you got games that are not challenging enough for the hardcore gamer, or what if the ban M rated games like they did AO game, i don't mean to stereotype, put older and younger gamers tend to stay with easier, less mature games...
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That's true, and I understand where you're coming from. You're afraid that if gaming becomes too mainstream, developers will forget about hardcore gamers (because we are such a small percentage of the total gaming population), and it could very well happen, however, the Wii could also serve as a gateway to gaming for many, both old and young. Simple games such as Wii Sports could just be a jumping point into gaming for them, eventually resulting in them moving on to more hardcore, often more difficult games.
 
ArgoXavier said:
Yes thats true for the younger gamers, but if they target audiences that old and young, how long before the majority of game releases are of a lesser rating, then you got games that are not challenging enough for the hardcore gamer, or what if the ban M rated games like they did AO game, i don't mean to stereotype, put older and younger gamers tend to stay with easier, less mature games...

Games are already getting to be way easier then they used to be on all systems, even great game like Bioshock are way to easy...Assassins Creed doesn't even have a hard mode...i don't wanna see the hardcore gaming audience vanish...

(and thank you Hinesmdc)
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super mario galaxy, metroid and twilight princess are the proof that the company of nintendo itself is trying to keep us satisfied sadly other developers don't think the same as nintendo, capcom, atlus or namco does (sega and ubisoft bring a lot of minigames for old and young people).

the wii was created as the same way mario galaxy was created: example mario galaxy is divided in 60 easy stars and 60 hard stars,
the wii has about 50% easy/games for casual gamers and 50% for hardcore gamers, it might sound bad (since other consoles bring the 100% for harcore gamers) but as long as nintendo and other popular companies keep making games for the wii then it won't bring down the games, in fact is creating more gamers around the world (my dad is an example is weird to see him playing metroid and zelda).
 
Actually, if you were to take the percentage of hardcore games Vs. Average consumers. It would be like 12%= Hardcore gamers Vs. 88% Average Consumers

People don't make games for certain groups, they make them for target audiences. Nintendo, actually hit the right target this time, and it's sad to say, but that age group you mention, are the vast majority of the consumers.

If it was negative to the industry, the people would have spoken by now. Yet the only thing I hear every single day is "Do you have a Wii in stock?"
 
MegaDrive20XX said:
Actually, if you were to take the percentage of hardcore games Vs. Average consumers. It would be like 12%= Hardcore gamers Vs. 88% Average Consumers
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I've heard some estimates as low as 2% or 3%, for hardcore gamers.
 
Homicidal Cherry53 said:
I've heard some estimates as low as 2% or 3%, for hardcore gamers.
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That's true. Funny you mention that, because GameStop tries this same theory. To attract those Hardcore, yet all they get is soccer mom's drinking starbucks coffee and Barnes N Noble Romance Novels :lol
 
emmmm it was an example =_=UUUU i know there are more casual wii owners....

what i really meant is that half of the wii games are minigames and non-gamers stuff, and the other half is for hardcore gamers and blah blah, the point is that as long as we have capcom, namco, nintendo, atlus and bla blah blah the wii will still have some hardcore games and will not be 100% casual
 
I think a lot of problems could be solved with adding multiple difficulty levels and having the choice of which you want to play. Metroid Prime 3 did this. You could start on Normal or Veteran, and then once you beat either of those you could also play on Hyper Mode.

Also, anyone who thinks there are no hardcore games on the Wii should pick up Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. That game is a challenge even for Fire Emblem vets. :lol
 
The Wii is anything but bad. Every company has a little more focus on games being easier, it's not always a bad thing. I mean, Bioshock had this amazing story, and thanks to not having to replay the same level over and over and over, you got to flow through it, instead of getting frustrated because you can't get past a part right before an interesting cutscene. The Wii targeting everyone is an amazing thing, because people start out playing casual games, then when they realize what fun they are, they slowly do more...standard games, up until they're playing their Zeldas and Fire Emblems.
Also, part of the reason for the casual games is money. Since casual gamers glomped the Wii, many developers make their casual games to test out Wii controls, while also turning a nice profit from the game, so they can later take that knowledge into standard games. And face it, casual won't ever take over. I'm pretty sure in 2005, over 1 billion dollars in the gaming industry was accumulated by standard RPG's and action adventures and the like, so developers aren't going to leave those behind for quite some time. It's just that with the diminishing hardcore market in Japan, Nintendo took a different approach to insure high sales. And with it, higher quality games.
 
The Wii introduced a new era in gaming which doesn't include the idea of a controller. Like fhq said, all it's doing is good for the gaming industry. Right now the Wii doesn't have any "hardcore" games, per se, but trust me, they will eventually. The Wii has great potential to make difficult games with the Wii remote technology.

But also, the Wii wasn't really made for "hardcore" games. So the way I view it, if you honestly buy or play a Wii and expect "hardcore" games, then you need to get off the shrooms.
 
Yeah, this year alone, the true games are starting to flow. And I think we get Mushroom Men at the end of the year.


Yes, Mushroom Men. Totally dark, edgy war thing with fungi.
 
fhqwhgads said:
Yeah, this year alone, the true games are starting to flow. And I think we get Mushroom Men at the end of the year.


Yes, Mushroom Men. Totally dark, edgy war thing with fungi.
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Ah yes, I heard much about the game. I also have a poster in my room for it, lol.
 
That's up there on my want list, because it looks sweet. I can hardly wait.
 
I know this is off topic, but what do you guys think about AO games not being supported by any of the consoles?...I for one think it should be the gamers choice, the ESRB isnt even a government organization, its more like a recommendation that doesn't need to be followed. Not allowing AO games for the fear of "younger" gamers getting a hold of them takes away from the other types of gamers, no matter how small a percentage they make up.
 
ArgoXavier said:
I know this is off topic, but what do you guys think about AO games not being supported by any of the consoles?...I for one think it should be the gamers choice, the ESRB isnt even a government organization, its more like a recommendation that doesn't need to be followed. Not allowing AO games for the fear of "younger" gamers getting a hold of them takes away from the other types of gamers, no matter how small a percentage they make up.
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first of all you might already know this but sony also banned the game for being AO and wanted it to be be M
second, woahh for a game to be AO must be INCREDIBLY BRUTAL AND FILLED WITH A LOT OF STUFF THAT I CAN'T MENTION IN THIS FORUM, seriously look at god of war...it was brutal and it had nudity and still was M rated, an AO game would not only be bad for children or teens but also for adults, it would totally ruin the videogame company, if people already target videogames because of games like GTA, imagine what would happen if someone created an AO game (a good AO game) the government would take hands on the matter and would ban AO games (if they were created) remember why the ESRB was created in the first place.....

besides a game must not be M rated to be awesome: examples, ratchet and clank, twilight princess, zack and wiki, final fantasy, tomb raider, metroid, super mario galaxy and etc etc....

i really hate the phylosophy of M rated game = AWESOME and the E rated game = kidde game/bad
 
Zidart said:
i really hate the phylosophy of M rated game = AWESOME and the E rated game = kidde game/bad
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a true gamer would not think that anyway

i put wii in a different category than the ps3 and xbox 360

the latter are hardcore (well, the 360 at least) gaming devices that are built to run todays biggest and best games, and wii is just a gamecube with a different controller
 
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