TOMORROW,BIG DAY FOR AMERICANS!

Homicidal Cherry53 said:
These people aren't children though. They are fully grown adults who are given the right to make decisions for themselves, but that also means that they must shoulder responsibility for those decisions. You can't blame the banks because these people couldn't pay back the loans. It was an entirely ridiculous and moronic decision on the part of the banks to approve the loans (which is why they shoulder the responsibility), but the people who asked for the loans should not be shielded from blame because they didn't know any better. When you're getting something as important as a mortgage or a loan, it should be your job to know what you're getting into.

I'm not saying shield the blame from them, they just shouldn't get all of it and make it seem like it was equal parts. But even if you research everything you're still expected to trust the loan officers because they have the experience and knowledge. They abused that trust and made people think they could afford something that originally they thought they couldn't.
 
Mai Valentine said:
Well even just his race has made some other countries give us another look. I was watching on the news that people in Africa for example were throwing celebration parties and such. While it may seem like a silly thing, if Obama being president can help us with our foreign relations just because of his race, that's already an improvement.

Honestly? Yeah you're right. Countries can look at us and go "Hey, where's the cracker?" :lol
 
After having him in office for 1 day, I can say that I dont feel much more different than I did when Bush was president. Sure he is advancing in a technological way with his site and such, but that was blown way over porportion. I had already been subscribed to the feeds and such on the original White House gov site when Bush was president and it was fantastic. Regardless, Im just glad that Hilary finally got the confirmation for Secretary of State (94-2)

I didnt think it made sense to freeze the pay of the white house staffers who made over $100,000 and then issue a possibly 15% pay decrease...the closing of GITMO?, possibly a decent decision
 
stealth toilet said:
70%? I'll take your word on that, being as you live in America and all. :lol

But last I heard 50% of America's budget went directly to military spending, and this figure was fairly consistent before the Iraq war. I assumed it would only have risen since. At the very least, there are several hundreds of billions of dollars being spent on military upkeep in America, and allocated properly it could at least stem the tide. Even if its just a drop in the pan, which I believe to an understatement, any drops going towards the right pan will pave the way for more to drop there as well, so to speak. It would be a start, which is no small thing. I oversimplified my initial statement on purpose, but I really do believe America has the industrial strength and wealth to climb out of the hole its in, and I don't think its unreasonable to think this could happen well within a decade.

I agree that it is possible, and I pulling out of Iraq would help to a point.  The thing is, Obama doesn't seem to be the president who is going to do it.  He's talking about large-scale expansion of social programs, something that will likely cause us to maintain our budget deficit for the next four years of his presidency.

stealth toilet said:
But I am curious, if you think the situation really is that dire HC, what do you believe would be the best course of action for the American people to take?

I'm actually the guy that points out problems.  I don't do solutions. :lol

I can honestly say that I'm glad I don't have to make the decisions Obama does, but I guess I could play armchair president for a couple minutes.

Obama's idea with the economic stimulus package isn't something I'm entirely against.  Government spending can revive an economy, but the shear magnitude of Obama's plan is absolutely ridiculous.  I don't have the exact figure in front of me, but the proposed plan would cost MUCH more than the (inflation-adjusted) cost of the New Deal (I got that from a Time article a ways back.  I'm pretty sure it was somewhere in the area of 5 times more).  I would create a much smaller stimulus package that focuses on things such as infrastructure and tax cuts.  Both of these things have been demonstrated time and again to be good investments that are usually paid back because of greater growth rates they generate.  Any stimulus beyond that would have to be conditional upon how the economy is responding.  I would also hold off on expanding social programs until the recession is finished.  I find it admirable that he wants to expand certain social programs, and I fully support it, but he should wait until Americans have more expendable income and can afford to be taxed a little more.  If he immediately does the expansions he is talking about, he will either run up a massive deficit or be forced to raise taxes midway through a very bad recession.  Either one would be very bad for the economy.

Obama's plan is starting to seem more and more like the New Deal to me.  It is expensive, its economic impact will be minimal, but, like the New Deal, it will raise people's hopes and spirits during a time of crisis.  In essence, it's a placebo, and while getting people thinking positive is a very good thing, it isn't $1 trillion good.

All of this aside, his first major decision made me very happy. Closing Gitmo and giving due process and rights to our prisoners is something I can completely support. Obama is looking very promising in every area but economics.
 
Fair enough. That sounds entirely reasonable and I see no reason to try and poke holes in what you just said.

The only thing I would point out is that the New Deal worked (although I argued the opposite some years back in an essay I wrote. Your use of the word placebo actually made me remember it, as my essay was entitled "The New Deal: America's Prozac"), and deficit spending on social infrastructure and the like normally does help free market economies in a crisis. I'm not saying this to spark any debate though, as I said I can not really find any fault with what you said about the economy.

Just sayin, he may know what he's doing, and in doing so he may kill two birds with one stone.
 
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