Sorry. I had to. One last contraversial thread on Nintendo's Revolution !! LOL

Strubes said:
I want a glove. I wanna be jus like the power rangers!!!!


I think I would never show my face again If I was caught with this glove.
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The one thing about the Power glove that most people don't remember....is the OTHER half of it...the sensors...In all the commericals and ads...they never showed the sloppy sensors that must be placed on the floor...
 
Ghouls N Ghosts said:
The one thing about the Power glove that most people don't remember....is the OTHER half of it...the sensors...In all the commericals and ads...they never showed the sloppy sensors that must be placed on the floor...
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and I thought the glove couldn't get worse. :lol
 
Re: Sorry. I had to. One last contraversial thread on Nintendo's Revolution !!

:lol

Well, back on topic now.

This post was basically made to show everyone that the whole "move your hand to control the game" concept is nothing new. Despite what Nintendo and it's most die-hard fans would have you believe, there's nothing original or innovative about the Revolution's new remote. The idea itself was done nearly 20 years ago....by Nintendo of all companies :lol

I'm sure the technology itself may not be identical to the original powerglove's, but obviously the concept and functionality is EXACTLY the same. It may have changed shape from a glove to a cute little remote but other than that..... ::)

So here's the question:

What makes you think Revolution's remote will OR will not succeed, taking into consideration the original concept was such a dismal failure??

Why should the remote succeed when the glove failed ??


Let the debate begin.....
 
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Why the powerglove failed? It was bulky and oversized and games werent utilized for the power glove. It was just a peripheral. Unlike the remote which is the main controller. Developers pretty much have no choice but to utilize the controller. Plus the controller isnt forced to be used with the motion sensors. It can become just a regular wireless controller. Also it has a shell that turns it into a regular controller. You arent forced to swing for every game. The only way it will succeed is if developers totally take advantage of the technology. Technology is only good if people utilize it. It's no good on it's own.
 
Re: Sorry. I had to. One last contraversial thread on Nintendo's Revolution !!

creepindeth04 said:
Why the powerglove failed? It was bulky and oversized and games werent utilized for the power glove. It was just a peripheral. Unlike the remote which is the main controller. Developers pretty much have no choice but to utilize the controller. Plus the controller isnt forced to be used with the motion sensors. It can become just a regular wireless controller. Also it has a shell that turns it into a regular controller. You arent forced to swing for every game. The only way it will succeed is if developers totally take advantage of the technology. Technology is only good if people utilize it. It's no good on it's own.
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What about this.

When Nintendo first came out with the idea 20 years ago with the powerglove, your right, it was a just a "peripheral". Game designers had the CHOICE of designing their games to be used with either this new "innovative" glove concept, or the tried and true game controller.

They had the choice and they all UNANIMOUSLY chose to ditch the "motion control concept"" and stick with the traditional controller. Why do you think that is? Keep in mind that when Nintendo first came up with this idea, gaming was still relatively new. Game controllers which we consider today to be "traditional or standard" (cross-hair on the left and action buttons on the right) was also pretty new back then but everybody loved the set-up. Plain. Simple. Easy to use and most importantly....It just felt ...."right" :) Nobody wanted change. That's the reason the glove failed. It had nothing to do with it's size. It wasn't bulky at all.

Even back then, the concept of controlling a game with "hand movements" was considered too drastic a change in gaming. Too much of a change compared to the "regular controller"

Fast forward 20 years. We've all been playing games with the "old fashioned" style controller since the mid-eighties. It's all we know. We grew up with it. Now Nintendo wants to re-introduce their old idea back into gaming and in essence, expect us to re-learn everything over again :o

If "motion control" wasn't accepted back then, what makes you think it'll be accepted today, given the fact that (as I said) we've been programmed to use the standard lay-out controller for the past 20+ years?

It's well known that games for the 360 and PS3 wont be ported to the "Rev" do to it's graphical limitations. As if that isn't bad enough for developers, now Nintendo is FORCING game developers to completely ditch the very same control scheme we've been accustomed to, all our gaming lives...

Depending of coarse, what ends up happening with the whole "shell" thing...

Bad move in my opinion.
 
Re: Sorry. I had to. One last contraversial thread on Nintendo's Revolution !!

LT1FUN said:
What about this.

When Nintendo first came out with the idea 20 years ago with the powerglove, your right, it was a just a "peripheral". Game designers had the CHOICE of designing their games to be used with either this new "innovative" glove concept, or the tried and true game controller.

They had the choice and they all UNANIMOUSLY chose to ditch the powerglove" and stick with the traditional controller. Why do you think that is? Keep in mind that when Nintendo first came up with this idea, gaming was still relatively new. Game controllers with what we consider today to be "traditional" (cross-hair on the left and action buttons on the right) was also pretty new back then but everybody liked the set-up. It just felt ...."right" :)

Even back then, the concept of controlling a game with "hand movements" was considered too drastic a change in gaming. Too much of a change compared to the "regular controller"

Fast forward 20 years. We've all been playing games with the "old fashioned" style controller since the mid-eighties. It's all we know. We grew up with it. Now Nintendo wants to re-introduce their old idea back into gaming and in essence, expect us to re-learn everything over again :o

If "motion control" wasn't accepted back then, what makes you think it'll be accepted today, given the fact that (as I said) we've been programmed to use the standard lay-out controller for the past 20+ years?

It's well known that games for the 360 and PS3 wont be ported to the "Rev" do to it's graphical limitations. As if that isn't bad enough for developers, now Nintendo is FORCING game developers to completely ditch the very same control scheme we've been accustomed to, all our gaming lives...

Bad move in my opinion.
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Because even though there are still purists out there that dont want any change there are more people today that are open to the idea. People who play PC games can use the remote almost or pretty much like a mouse, they werent around in the eighties. Yes we have to learn a new controller scheme but Im sure the learning curve isnt that difficult. It's like using the remote itself as an analog stick. It's not hard to move the remote where you want it. Then it's up to the sensors to pick it up. Graphical limitations? Sure it isnt as powerful as the PS3 or the 360 but that shouldnt stop companies from porting over. Look at Resident Evil 4. The PS2 isnt as powerful as the GC but they still did it. Yes developers are being forced but it can go both ways. There are actually developers that are excited about the Revolution. Not all of them are against it, if any. So the ones that have enthusiasm for the controller will utilize it. Again, they dont have to use the remote. The remote can be turned into a regular controller for that specific purpose not just to play older games.
 
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Sorry for the double post but also remember that not all the full details about the remote are out yet. It still can be changed. Nintendo wants this to work so thats why they havent revealed much yet. They put a bunch of hours, Im sure, into this. Im sure they have a plan for 3rd party developers and their ports.
 
The whole base idea however it total lunacy and I cant give them much credit for it. Though their creations tend to be better suited for catapult ammo then other systems.
 
The remote can be turned into a regular controller for that specific purpose not just to play older games.
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I thought they said that's what the GC controller ports were for... so that GC games and all classic games could be played on a "standard controller." The whole "controller shell" thing was just something that was mentioned, nobody really knows much about it. I think the idea is that it will hopefully convert the remote into a more standard controller, but we really don't know for certain.

Im sure they have a plan for 3rd party developers and their ports
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One would like to think so, but with the way Nintendo ignores 3rd parties...
 
stealth toilet said:
One would like to think so, but with the way Nintendo ignores 3rd parties...
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I would have to disagree there.
They don't ignore, but they don't cater... and there-in is the problem. Other companies cater.... whereas Nintendo does not.

The revolution will be cool... and I will put the smackdown on some of you in Super Smash bros. Melee online :D :p

†B†V† :hat
 
Didn't Namco also create a "motion sensor" fight mat for their Tekken games? I remember seeing something like that on TV.

And come on, you know you love the Power Glove.
 
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stealth toilet said:
I thought they said that's what the GC controller ports were for... so that GC games and all classic games could be played on a "standard controller." The whole "controller shell" thing was just something that was mentioned, nobody really knows much about it. I think the idea is that it will hopefully convert the remote into a more standard controller, but we really don't know for certain.
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You can use either one. Im 99% postive they are coming out with the controller shell. They just dont know if it's going to be included with the console.
 
Ok then answer me this? What the heck is the controller shell!? :lol

I remember seeing a concept artwork done by some guy at IGN showing a mock up of it fitting in a GC controller where a Dreamcast style memory card would fit in, but that was just one guy's guess as to what it could be. Has Nintendo released any pictures, or told us how many buttons are on that controller?
 
Re: Sorry. I had to. One last contraversial thread on Nintendo's Revolution !!

stealth toilet said:
Ok then answer me this? What the heck is the controller shell!? :lol

I remember seeing a concept artwork done by some guy at IGN showing a mock up of it fitting in a GC controller where a Dreamcast style memory card would fit in, but that was just one guy's guess as to what it could be. Has Nintendo released any pictures, or told us how many buttons are on that controller?
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No visuals and barely any information BUT they will release it, I know that much. Ill try to look for more info for you.
 
This should actually be in the Revolution forum. Shame on the mod who hasn't moved it yet! :p ;)

I was really skeptical of the DS when I first heard about it. And a lot of the media was, too. Then I got a chance to play it at E3 2004 and I found out that it was pretty cool. Now I have one and I love it! There's more great games coming out all the time for it. The media, of course, is still a little skeptical.

Now the Revolution controller, I still have not seen. But the reason why I'm not skeptical about it is for a few reasons.

The main reason is that most of the same media that is bitterly disappointed with Nintendo this generation is excited about the Revolution because of the controller. This might seem a little pathetic, but IMO if Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb from X-Play are excited about it, then that's reason enough not to be so skeptical.

Secondly, IMO Nintendo didn't disappoint with the DS, so I'm pretty sure the Revolution will not disappoint either, especially since third parties seem more excited about it than they did the Gamecube.
 
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Mai Valentine said:
This should actually be in the Revolution forum. Shame on the mod who hasn't moved it yet! :p ;)
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Hey now dont be telling us how to do our job. :lol We just happened to miss it. It was an accident I swear. :D

This might seem a little pathetic, but IMO if Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb from X-Play are excited about it, then that's reason enough not to be so skeptical.
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Yeah it does a seem a tiny bit pathetic. :p Honestly, they are the last people I would rely on for excitement. They seem a little too biased towards Nintendo, well from what I remember. I havent had G4/TechTV since the beginning of the year.
 
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