Revolution Specs revealed!! Price possibly too!

well, heres what I see happening. It will start at like $200 at launch for the hardcore Nintendo fanboys to buy, then will quickly drop to $150 or less for the casual gamers that Nintendo is trying to reach. Whether that approach will work or not, I'm not sure.

The thing about the games is, all the 3rd parties screwed Nintendo over. Capcom (just as an example) had signed on for 5 exclusive games with the cube, and for every one they broke out of their deal and make it multiplatform. For some reason, being a "family friendly" system is a big turn off to some hard core gamers and 3rd party support.

Now that the Revolution has backwards compatibility and all the free games from the pre-cube era, it might reach other gamers too. Still, as much as I would like to see this be a success, I really don't know how it will turn out.
 
PC gaming FTW :lol

I'd actually only be getting a REV for some games like Metroid, etc...

My PC has everything else I've needed. To be honest, I haven't really touch my consoles in a while.
 
I was thinking about this today. Yes the Revolution isn't nearly as powerful as the other systems, but if it's easier to program for then we'll have many games that push the hardware way sooner than the other systems and the developers will only have to worry about gameplay (Theoritically, of course.) The GameCube has nice graphics, the Revolution graphics will be even better, which will be enough for me. The only thing that is problem is the lack of HD, which at the moment, is not a BIG problem.
 
"It's a gamble for the Big N," said another source. "It's not about horsepower for them -- it's about innovation and gameplay."

Innovation and gameplay. That is all I care about in a system. I am not interested in all show and no go. If the Rev shows any hint of awesome gameplay, then it will be a hit. And hopefully Sony and Microsoft will rethink their strategy the next time around.
 
We cannot stress this enough: Revolution is not being positioned as a competitor to either Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3.

If this is true, why is everyone here comparing the pros and cons of the Revolution with the Xbox 360 and PS3?

Whether Nintendo likes it or not, they are competing with Microsoft and Sony. When people go to a Wal-mart (or peruse BV's site) looking to pick up a new system they are going to see the Rev placed right beside the other two, and they're only going to pick one up.

in every generation of consoles when the big N has been involved,they have had the best console

That's one opinion, and unfortuneatly system sales do not agree with you on that. As well the current trend seems to be that both Microsoft's and Sony's fanbases are increasing much faster than Nintendo's. Even if there is a "vast number of fans" that will buy Nintendo's system, there are more fans who will buy Msoft's and Sony's systems based purely off their fanatacism.
 
That's one opinion, and unfortuneatly system sales do not agree with you on that. As well the current trend seems to be that both Microsoft's and Sony's fanbases are increasing much faster than Nintendo's. Even if there is a "vast number of fans" that will buy Nintendo's system, there are more fans who will buy Msoft's and Sony's systems based purely off their fanatacism.

True. But you can still develop a far superior product and still have it trail behind a more popular yet inferior product.
 
I think Nintendo has no excuse for being behind MS and Sony. Nintendo has been in the business alot longer than MS and Sony has, yet the first Microsoft console beat out Nintendo's 4th console. And Sony's second beat them both.
 
guitarwizard said:
i think the gamecube is better than the ps2,or xbox because of games like Mario sunshine,Zelda the wind waker,smash brother....the list goes on for miles.with all these Nintendo exclusive franchises, it is inevitable that Nintendo will have a vast number of fans who will buy there system,and if it is so affordable than those of us who would have to save up for 3-4 months for a 360 with a couple games,or 5-6 months for a ps3 with a couple games(assuming the price is higher than the 360)can buy a revolution after saving for a month....then i think the revolution will have a lot of sales.

of course those games are better than Halo, or GTA ::)
 
stealth toilet said:
If this is true, why is everyone here comparing the pros and cons of the Revolution with the Xbox 360 and PS3?

Whether Nintendo likes it or not, they are competing with Microsoft and Sony. When people go to a Wal-mart (or peruse BV's site) looking to pick up a new system they are going to see the Rev placed right beside the other two, and they're only going to pick one up.

Just because people here are comparing the pros and cons that does not mean that it's Nintendo's intention to compete with them. It's natural to compare it to the other systems, because that's what you do, you compare "like" items. That still doesn't change what Nintendo is intending to do, which is not compete with the other systems.
 
It's natural to compare it to the other systems, because that's what you do, you compare "like" items. That still doesn't change what Nintendo is intending to do, which is not compete with the other systems.

But if you admit that they are "like" items, then doesn't that mean they are competing for consumers? I mean, Microsoft could come out and say that the 360 isn't directly competing with Sony's PS3, and that they are trying to attract gamers who like playing online and they are not targeting the average gamer. But anyone with any grey matter in their skull knows that's complete BS, as people who buy the 360 are likely choosing it over the PS3. People who buy a Revolution will most likely choose it instead of either a PS3 or 360. A new controller really is not that different. New controllers have accompanied every new Nintendo console, but Nintendo is still providing a piece of hardware that runs software. They are making a console that will run games on it. Just because the games will be differnet does not mean that they are no longer in the console market.

True. But you can still develop a far superior product and still have it trail behind a more popular yet inferior product,

Define superior. Define inferior. No matter how you define these two as soon as you apply their definitions to any kind of product it will be your opinion of which product falls under which definition. Obviously a person that purchases one product over similar ones will think that the one they purchased is superior. No one's going to look at three consoles and buy the one that is undeniably inferior. If you buy a console and another console sells better than the one you bought obviously you will think that an inferior product sold better. But Average Joe who bought the better selling console will feel that the superior one sold the most. Which one of you is right? Can you honestly say, beyond your own opinion, that there have been inferior products that have sold better than superior ones? Probably not, because the "quality" of a product is completely subjective, especially when discussing videogames.

The only way that I can think of objectively determining which console is "the best" is to do so democratically, let people vote with their dollars. Whichever system sells the most has a majority of the votes. Majority rules, and thus, public opinion will determine the superiority/inferiority of a product.

I think Nintendo has no excuse for being behind MS and Sony. Nintendo has been in the business alot longer than MS and Sony has, yet the first Microsoft console beat out Nintendo's 4th console. And Sony's second beat them both.

:lol Ya, PS1 sales left the N64 in the dust too. Actually, since Sega got out of the console war, Nintendo is yet to win one. The glory days of the Snes are long gone.
 
stealth toilet said:
But if you admit that they are "like" items, then doesn't that mean they are competing for consumers? I mean, Microsoft could come out and say that the 360 isn't directly competing with Sony's PS3, and that they are trying to attract gamers who like playing online and they are not targeting the average gamer. But anyone with any grey matter in their skull knows that's complete BS, as people who buy the 360 are likely choosing it over the PS3. People who buy a Revolution will most likely choose it instead of either a PS3 or 360. A new controller really is not that different. New controllers have accompanied every new Nintendo console, but Nintendo is still providing a piece of hardware that runs software. They are making a console that will run games on it. Just because the games will be differnet does not mean that they are no longer in the console market.

I don't mean nor did I imply that they are not in the console market or trying not to be. They just want to do something different than the rest. "Like" items don't always have to do the same thing. I was just using that word as an umbrella for all three. They may be in the same market, but they don't necessarily have to do what everyone else is doing. Even if they didn't come up with a new controller, chances are they would still try to be different than the rest, it's just how Nintendo is nowadays. You may or may not like it, but that's how it is. Seriously, if they actually wanted to compete they would have tried harder to have a more powerful system and try to cater to all the new technologies that are available. It's hard to deny that they like to do their own thing.
 
Define superior. Define inferior. No matter how you define these two as soon as you apply their definitions to any kind of product it will be your opinion of which product falls under which definition. Obviously a person that purchases one product over similar ones will think that the one they purchased is superior. No one's going to look at three consoles and buy the one that is undeniably inferior. If you buy a console and another console sells better than the one you bought obviously you will think that an inferior product sold better. But Average Joe who bought the better selling console will feel that the superior one sold the most. Which one of you is right? Can you honestly say, beyond your own opinion, that there have been inferior products that have sold better than superior ones? Probably not, because the "quality" of a product is completely subjective, especially when discussing videogames.

The only way that I can think of objectively determining which console is "the best" is to do so democratically, let people vote with their dollars. Whichever system sells the most has a majority of the votes. Majority rules, and thus, public opinion will determine the superiority/inferiority of a product.

Okay, the end results of analyzing the features and benefits of a product usualy define whether or not it's superior or inferior. Price, quality and game selection usualy can define these two catagories. Or you can go with ease of development or game quality. Of course each has their own set of subcatagories in which to judge them. I do not agree that the average Joe can judge whether or not something is superior or inferior. Mainly because they are spoon-fed their information by their next door neighbor who is biased for no reason, who's answer to why they hate something is "Because it sucks." Or Average Joe will see the commercials. They too are biased because they promote one single product. Ever see a Ford ad that says, "You know, our competitor has a better overall build. But ours is way cooler"? No Because of bias.

So your argument of our friend Average Joe voting on which is best with his dollars has that single fatal flaw. Bias. Bias will render the definitions of "superior" and "inferior" useless simply because Average Joe doesn't have all of the facts. He really doesn't care which console is easier to use or which console has the best graphics or gameplay. Average Joe wants what everyone else has.

And this is why I believe that it is possible to build a superior product and still have it trail behind an inferior product. Because it happens all the time.
 
I don't mean nor did I imply that they are not in the console market or trying not to be.

If this is true then they are competing with Sony and Microsoft in the console market. It is as simple as that.

Even if they didn't come up with a new controller, chances are they would still try to be different than the rest, it's just how Nintendo is nowadays.

But they're not unique in doing that. Microsoft is attracting a different type of gamer than Sony is by providing a different gaming experience. While there is overlap (especially in terms of third party games) that is done purely to offer the customer as broad a range of gaming experience as possible, but each company has their own target audience. Even looking at the last gen it was easy to see what kind of gamer would choose which system. For Nintendo to say the Rev is not competing with the 360 or the PS3 because it's different (especially if their main arguement is what you said about not keeping up technologically) is like Sony saying it wasn't competing with the Xbox or the Gamecube because it was technically inferior. The phrase "different than the rest" can be applied to every company in the next console war, and it does not mean they are not competing against each other.

Price, quality and game selection usualy can define these two catagories. Or you can go with ease of development or game quality.

First problem with your definition: Deciding whether choice 1(price, quality, game selection) should be used instead of choice 2 (ease of development, game quality), or vice versa, is in of itself a subjective choice. Choosing either of these will be a result of your personal bias of which you find to be more important. Already objectivity has been lost

Second Problem: while the lowest price can easily be found, it is not always a good indicator of "features and benefits." In fact, the lowest price usually results in the fewest of these, and that can hardly be considered the "best" product. A product that has all the "features and benefits" will most likely be priced much higher than a product that does not. So when you say that price can help define a product as superior or inferior, do you mean that the highest price will help it be the superior product? Or do you mean the lowest priced product that still provides as many features and benefits as possible is the superior product, the most "bang for your buck" as it were? But which features are necessary and which ones aren't? Which benefits are the most important to have? Or is it more important to have all the features and benefits no matter what the cost? Again, subjectivity, opinion, bias comes into play.

Third problem: Quality is a subjective term in itself. Does quality mean newest technology, reliability, lifespan, durability, look, or physical size? And if it is all of these and more then is the superior product the one that wins all of these categories, or is lifespan more important than physical size? Would you rather have the latest graphics card or an older, more stable one?

Fourth problem: Game selection. Do you mean the largest game selection? The game selection that offers the most "quality" games? Does a company have to do both in order to have the superior product, or is it more important for them to have quality titles than a large quantity of them?

OK, I won't even continue, because what I've said is already overkill. But I hope you see what I'm saying. Just because average Joe has been spoon fed his information from his neighbour, that doesn't mean the information you've been spoon fed is any more credible, or any more correct. Everyone is subject to their own biases, everyone. There is no universal truth about which console is the "best." There are a lot of opinions about the subject, many of them equally informed, but there is no objective answer to the question of "which console is the best?" You cannot prove that one console is better than the other, you can only offer explanations as to why you like one more than the other.
 
stealth toilet said:
If this is true then they are competing with Sony and Microsoft in the console market. It is as simple as that.

but just because they are in the same market, it does not mean that they are, or trying to compete with them. For example, they are not trying to compete with Sony or MS for technical superiority. Each new console it seems that they are trying to detach themselves from the other consoles. They seem to want to be strictly a game machine while the other big two are battling it out to see who is technically superior.

But they're not unique in doing that. Microsoft is attracting a different type of gamer than Sony is by providing a different gaming experience. While there is overlap (especially in terms of third party games) that is done purely to offer the customer as broad a range of gaming experience as possible, but each company has their own target audience. Even looking at the last gen it was easy to see what kind of gamer would choose which system. For Nintendo to say the Rev is not competing with the 360 or the PS3 because it's different (especially if their main arguement is what you said about not keeping up technologically) is like Sony saying it wasn't competing with the Xbox or the Gamecube because it was technically inferior. The phrase "different than the rest" can be applied to every company in the next console war, and it does not mean they are not competing against each other.

Im also not saying that they are unique but that they try even harder to distance themselves from MS and Sony. Nintendo seems to be the only one who is trying to target a specific audience. Sony and MS are trying to take each other out. They are the ones who are tryiing to attract the same gamer, in my opinion. I really don't know what different gaming experience Sony is trying to offer than MS. Sony is trying to get into the Online business and take out Live. They are also trying to get people on Blu-Ray's side rather than HD-DVD. Seems to me like they are trying to attract the same gamer. While Nintendo tries to attract people who don't care about all the bells and whistles that the other two offer. The only reason the PS2 was technically inferior is because it came out before Xbox was barely just a rumor and Nintendo having more time to develop their console. I have a feeling had they had known what kind of battle they would be today then they would have not released the PS2 as early as they did. Times are different, Xbox is now a household name just like Sony. So now Sony is trying to recapture what Xbox has taken away. While Nintendo takes another route and is just trying to make games, while the others try to do much more, not that there is anything wrong with that.
 
They are the ones who are tryiing to attract the same gamer, in my opinion.

I read a couple articles that would disagree with your opinion. It was a long time ago, so I can't refer you to them, but one article stated that while Sony is targeting the 13-18 age group, Microsoft is trying to target the 18-25 age group. Another article stated that Microsoft is trying to attract the hardcore (largely PC based) gamer, while Sony is targeting the casual (largely console based) gamer. As well, the PS2 was positioned largely as a single player system, whereas MS was obviously attracting gamers who enjoyed multiplayer. Looking at the types of games made on each system it is easy to see that the two did not share the same target audience, but at the same time each was committed to not expressley exclude any particular audience, much in the same way Nintendo tries to keep E ratings on their games so that no one is expressly excluded from playing them.

While these are all just opinions, I think statements like:

Nintendo seems to be the only one who is trying to target a specific audience.

Are not very accurate, as a simple analysis of the market could easily prove otherwise. However, I will agree that Nintendo tries "even harder to distance themselves from MS and Sony." But I do not believe that this is any indication that the Revolution is not competing with the 360 or PS3. They are all next gen systems, and as such are competing for customers.
 
Think of it like this...The PS3,and 360 both do many things other than games...while the Revolution will be strictly a game machine.In this way the PS3,and 360 are like cars(Sports cars if you must..)Which have multiple functions such as carrying things and they have air conditioners and DVD players..While the Revolution is like unto a motorcycle.It has one function which I am sure it will do very well.Motorcycle manufacturers do not directly compet with car manufacturers even though they are both producing motor vehicles do they?

Anyway it was just fun for me to use such an analogy :)
 
Anyway it was just fun for me to use such an analogy

:lol I appreciate the analogy, though it is unnecessary. I understand why Nintendo is trying to say that they're not competing with Sony/Msoft, I just think they're wrong, and that they are competing with them whether they like it not.
 
Okay, I'll use something that I deal with every day. Tires. This way i'll explain what I mean about good, better and best. And that I try not to use hype or personal opinion.

"Tires are catagorized into three groups. Good, better and best. Amount of materials used in constructing tires, the amount of tread sipes and the depth of the tread sipes, and how tall the tread is. There are more, but in an effort to make this short, I'll exclude them.

In a good quality tire, the steel belts are narrower than the other two catagories to cut costs. The downside is they tend to wear out on the edges faster due to a lack of belt reinforcement. The tread blocks are lso shorter. they usually start at 9/32", so they can wear out sooner than the other two catgories. Also, the tread siping is minimal. These cuts are there for aiding in wet and dry traction, as well as cooling efficiency. They alo wer off after about 25% of the tread is gone.

A better quality improves on the good catagory. Wider steel belts mean better structural integrity in the shoulder. And that means a more even wear pattern. The tread blocks are also taller, which tends to slow the wear a bit. The tread siping is increased both in depth, and in amount, for better cooling and traction. They tend to go about 50% of the way down.

The best quality not only includes most name brand tires, but the best features. Widest possible steel belts within the tire mean the best wear pattern, and increased cornering ability. The tallest tread blocks mean the lonest lasting tread life. The sipes go full depth (down to 2?32", which in most states is worn out) and increase even more over the better catagory. "

Within these catagories, though, you can buy a best tire at a better or even good price. This drop usually is caused by lower production costs, ease of transportation, or special buys. For a while we were selling Pirelli tires at rediculously low prices because we got smoking deals on them.

What does this have to do with consoles?? Like I have said before, a "best" console can be outpaced by a "good" or even a "better" console. It happens all the time.
 
But, in the current gen (Cube PS2 Xbox) the "good" system came in last.

They are trying a tactic that didn't work well the first time...
 
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